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*Tragic*Priestess*- 03-11-2006
Ah so people really DO eat deers? Okay I will accept that point but the rest...eh.

To hunt for the pure fun of it, I would go against because you still aren't doing the deer a favour by killing it before another animal comes to kill it. Its more of messing with nature's whole "survival of the fit-*test*-('")" (that is if you are hunting for fun and not for the food).

And not EVERY animal survives to old age. Deer are probably the main species that do not survive til old age, but the same goes for plenty of other animals, do you not agree?

I don't really understand how *killing* an animal is fun...where is the fun in that?

Yigstrandil- 03-11-2006
QUOTE (*Tragic*Priestess* @ March 11, 2006 11:25 pm)
Ah so people really DO eat deers? Okay I will accept that point but the rest...eh.

To hunt for the pure fun of it, I would go against because you still aren't doing the deer a favour by killing it before another animal comes to kill it. Its more of messing with nature's whole "survival of the fit-*test*-('")" (that is if you are hunting for fun and not for the food).

And not EVERY animal survives to old age. Deer are probably the main species that do not survive til old age, but the same goes for plenty of other animals, do you not agree?

I don't really understand how *killing* an animal is fun...where is the fun in that?

No, I acually don't believe that most game animals would die natural deaths if humans didn't hunt them. That is to say, starve or get killed by some other canny carnivore.
But *killing* itself... neh, not so much. I remember it wasn't much fun at all when I *killed* my first deer. I had wounded it badly enough to put it to the ground, but when I got up close to it I saw it was still alive. And, of course, suffering immensely. All that I remember is that I didn't like to do it. My dad (he was there) said the fact that I looked away when I shot was a very positive sign. That I don't acually hunt because I enjoy slaughter, like some psychopath.
It's like fishing. Picking a spot, wating silent and still, and the final adrenaline rush when you reel it in. At the end, when the fish takes it's last breath... nobody really enjoys that moment or anything.

*Tragic*Priestess*- 03-11-2006
Okay well then it's good that you don't hunt for the slaughter, but then why would you hunt at all other than the food portion of it? You said "hunting is a fun thing to do when you're with your family" so that isn't clear to me.

If humans stopped hunting game animals, then these animals would die the way nature intended them to die, by means of disease or other animals.

Yigstrandil- 03-11-2006
QUOTE (*Tragic*Priestess* @ March 11, 2006 11:43 pm)
Okay well then it's good that you don't hunt for the slaughter, but then why would you hunt at all other than the food portion of it? You said "hunting is a fun thing to do when you're with your family" so that isn't clear to me.

If humans stopped hunting game animals, then these animals would die the way nature intended them to die, by means of disease or other animals.

When we hunt, it's a big, almost family-reunion type expierence. Like a weeklong holiday at the end of november (well, just the weekend plus thanksgiving break if you think you'd be better off not skipping. inupalace/=P.gif). I get to see my dad and my brothers, we all drive up to our shack in the woods, ajacent to my Grandpa's property, and my Uncle's a 20 minute drive away. We go to bed early, and wake up before sunrise to a delicious breakfast of bacon and/or pancakes and/or eggs. Soon, our relatives come over and we hover over a map deciding our plan of attack. Who posts up where, who is driving them out, and who is staying home to beat the bush and drive the deer to those posted? We bundle up, head out, and try to make our way through the forest at night as quietly as possible. It's illigal to be hunting at night, though, so we wait until sunrise.
We fish until about noon.
As the bush-beater reaches our treestand, we get out and join in his job while we walk to the next stand.
Hot dogs are normally made for lunch. Although, we always fill ourselves with all the junkfood sitting around for the occaison. It's like a week of mini-thanksgivings, but with mostly junkfood.
As we do this we do all the things we can't with more genial company. We try to shock eachother with the most racist or sexist, or just otherwise offensive, jokes we've heard, while casually playing whatever card game we fancy. Last year we played Hearts, the year before we were infatuated with rummy.
OK, if I haven't made my point clear enough by now, it won't do me any good to talk about the rest of the day.

Without human hunters, deer truly would die as nature intended... but is that really such a good thing? Mother Nature can be a *mean* b!tch. inupalace/=P.gif

*Tragic*Priestess*- 03-11-2006
That does sound like a really really fun time. Just to spend time with your family is always good.

Yes.. Mother Nature can be a total B*tch.

Okay, well yeah I just wanted to know your viewpoint on why you hunt. Thank yee =DD

Yigstrandil- 03-11-2006
And the afternoon and evening are pretty nice, too. inupalace/4.gif
Though, it sure does help if you already have the skills for and the appreciateion of fishing. That, and you've gotta have a built-up resiliance to the cold.

Black Knight- 03-12-2006
Hunt for pleasure. I would go against it to. But you would get arrested by the cops.

AKIRA_011- 03-12-2006
I'm fine with a small amount of killings because we need food. I don't waste it. But others do so that means they have to kill more to keep on making what most people don't finish in the first place...anyways...the point is environmentalists do infact have a point. So do we. If we eat an animal that died naturally is that still considered killing? Possibly. Also if we eat a plant that is already dead does it still count? You have to take these queries seriously when factoring in why they think this.

Jordan- 03-12-2006
Most of the time, we KILL the animals people eat.

When animals are born, they're put in cages. When they start to grow, they tie them up, and feed them all kinds of drugs to make them grow faster. Later on with animals like chickens, they cut off their beaks. Finally, when they're grown enough, they drop them in liquids to kill them, and flavor them.

Then they chop them up, cook them, freeze them, and distribute them. That's a rough summary, but, it's something like that. Not only is that disgusting, it's cruel and unusual. It's as bad as Hitler's concentration camps. So, I think what we do is Murder. For that reason i'm a vegitarian.

Yigstrandil- 03-12-2006
QUOTE (Jordan @ March 12, 2006 12:08 pm)
Most of the time, we KILL the animals people eat.

When animals are born, they're put in cages. When they start to grow, they tie them up, and feed them all kinds of drugs to make them grow faster. Later on with animals like chickens, they cut off their beaks. Finally, when they're grown enough, they drop them in liquids to kill them, and flavor them.

Then they chop them up, cook them, freeze them, and distribute them. That's a rough summary, but, it's something like that. Not only is that disgusting, it's cruel and unusual. It's as bad as Hitler's concentration camps. So, I think what we do is Murder. For that reason i'm a vegitarian.

Support hunters, then! Deer grow fat off the land (semi-)naturally by sneaking onto farmer's fields and and eating their crops!
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AKIRA_011- 03-12-2006
QUOTE (Yigstrandil @ March 12, 2006 07:24 pm)
QUOTE (Jordan @ March 12, 2006 12:08 pm)
Most of the time, we KILL the animals people eat.

When animals are born, they're put in cages. When they start to grow, they tie them up, and feed them all kinds of drugs to make them grow faster. Later on with animals like chickens, they cut off their beaks. Finally, when they're grown enough, they drop them in liquids to kill them, and flavor them.

Then they chop them up, cook them, freeze them, and distribute them. That's a rough summary, but, it's something like that. Not only is that disgusting, it's cruel and unusual. It's as bad as Hitler's concentration camps. So, I think what we do is Murder. For that reason i'm a vegitarian.

Support hunters, then! Deer grow fat off the land (semi-)naturally by sneaking onto farmer's fields and and eating their crops!
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Good point to both of you guys.

ramiko takahashi reincarnation- 03-12-2006
QUOTE (Jordan @ March 11, 2006 04:05 pm)
I'm an Environmentalist. It is wrong to kill animals.

How would you like to be killed for food?

i have no problum with killing animals 4 food...now(i used to be a vagitarian but it just slipped away when i turned 12)BUT i cant stand wachin peeaple coming by wearing some mutha inupalace/asdg.gif fur coat its horrible to kill animals so you can look good ar have some coat i just want to skin those peaple and see how they feel i luv animals and risk my life for them(off topic 4 a sec) this one guy took new born puppies and threw them into a ditch before and it started raining so me and my friend crawled into the sewer and got the puppy out so it wouldent drown kept the puppy a secret from my mother for a while when we told we had to go find it a home but my mother wuz proud i rember getting cramped in there couse im quastrafobic

Full Metal- 03-12-2006
Ok, but what about coon skins? Personly I dont kill coons b/c of the way they sound, we they'er scared they sound like a baby cryin. I cant get the guts to kill one so I let my dog do it, my dog is named Dan btw you know off of Where the Red Fern Grows, the first time I saw my dad kill a coon it cried and when he shot it I allmost cried too.

Now killing deer is a diffrent story, I can kill them all day and not really even feel anything. I'll sell the meat or eat it myself and burry the rest of the body. And the fur makes a good blanket to keep you warm too. I mean if your going to kill one, use all of it or burry it in a proper burrle. I cant stand to see people just throwing it out, I dont even like seeing people burn the corpse b/c it reminds me of the depts of hell.

Yigstrandil- 03-12-2006
What about if the animal was killed primarily for the meat, and, deciding not to let it go to waste, made something out of the animal's fur?

Black Knight- 03-12-2006
You see death everywere. I mean my mom buys stuff made of animal skin. And im like Woh.. I don't like that stuff.

The whole story is..

Hunters kill. (Cruel) maybe. Some hunters mainly kill for money then give the skin of that rare animal to the shops. For that they gain 200$ or something. All he does with the body is throw it away! Thats just cruel. You either kill because you desperatly need food not for freaking money!! GOD.. I hate the people that just kill for pleasure or money.

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