Well, if you can accept that a fetus grows in steps and stages, where does it stop being soley the mother's body, and starts being a body of it's own?
At the end, I'd say. After all, I wouldn't want to buy a videogame only 4/5ths of the way coded. I couldn't even play it, if it were that incomplete.

Women sort of have their period every month, in all honesty, before the third trimester, its the same dam thing >_>

^^^ two very smart poeple posted above me.

Hitenlover, you're pretty much the kind of person I severly dislike.

"IK BUT STILL!!!" isn't an arguement.

what if I told you that abortion is needed if the woman is under a certain age?

Bad idea

A good example is a Co Admin of mine on Inuyasha Moon

Shes 24 and needed an abortion because she couldn't support the child. The adoption process is VERY hard to get through,and ends up actually costing money. She and her husband used all sorts of protection, and she still ended up preggo.

Age doesn't matter, circumstances do, and no matter what the circumstance is, that woman deserves a choice

Is it me or did HL's last post make it sound like she thinks abortion is a GOOD thing?

heh, way to be a hipocrite.

Perhaps shes trying to find a way to win...lose...Not look like a failure?

I'm trying to win the battle between me and SSB.

Really now, The arguement alot of you are posing is completely nonsensical. Sit down and ponder this for a minute. A fetus is not considered alive, correct, but at the same time, will it not, if left to take its natural course, become alive in the near future? Become a sentient child, with thoughts, feelings, likes and dislikes? So, regardless of whether it is alive at the said time of the abortion, you are denying what would be a living person in the future the chance to live. It simply makes no realistic sense to say that it isnt murder. Really now, its no different than killing your mother, and then claiming in court that you did it to 'prevent her from becoming a burden when she became elderly, and unable to take care of herself.' Which would never, EVER fly in court. In essence, the Abortionist arguement is simply a non-sensical rationalization mankind hass created in order for accidental mothers to shirk off the responsibilty they have most likely brought upon themselves. Less that %2 of all abortions are from Rape Victims, and there is always adoption, regardless of how many children there are in that program. Abortion SHOULD be left as a last resort for those whose children who are dying in the womb, or could possibly kill the mother, but as stated, a LAST RESORT. Something as dangerous as abortion (which is damaging to the mother as is) should not be done so lightly, neither should denying a future child the chance to live.

Really now, The arguement alot of you are posing is completely nonsensical. Sit down and ponder this for a minute. A fetus is not considered alive, correct, but at the same time, will it not, if left to take its natural course, become alive in the near future? Become a sentient child, with thoughts, feelings, likes and dislikes? So, regardless of whether it is alive at the said time of the abortion, you are denying what would be a living person in the future the chance to live. It simply makes no realistic sense to say that it isnt murder.
I am assuming that you are the sort of person that argues that pulling vegetables is also murder..In that case, why not change peoplefor murder who hunt animals..after all, they may not have the same emotional functions, but your KILLING something.Please, Life means more then a pulse

Really now, its no different than killing your mother, and then claiming in court that you did it to 'prevent her from becoming a burden when she became elderly, and unable to take care of herself.' Which would never, EVER fly in court.
No,itsnot at all the same thing. a mother would imply that that person has had life experiance, that that person actually has a functioning thought system. Arguing that is saying that every time a woman has her period, she is denying possible life, therefore,should be changed with murder

In essence, the Abortionist arguement is simply a non-sensical rationalization mankind hass created in order for accidental mothers to shirk off the responsibilty they have most likely brought upon themselves. Less that %2 of all abortions are from Rape Victims, and there is always adoption, regardless of how many children there are in that program.
Thats the sort of argument thats going to leave the world overpopulated someday.

What you are saying is that woman shouldn't have sex. We all want to have sex, its a natural human urge. Think of all of the people who get into sexual relationships with men and then he leaves her. What about all of the poor married couples out there. What about all of the people who use BIRTH CONTROL, CONDOMS, Or think they are infertial (This last one happened to my aunt, it is realistic)
People who have responsible sex don't deserve to have to face the pain of Childbirth, its just silly

Abortion SHOULD be left as a last resort for those whose children who are dying in the womb, or could possibly kill the mother,
Wouldn't that second one Still be killing "a possible human life", sonow there are acceptions based on what reasons YOU find acceptable

but as stated, a LAST RESORT. Something as dangerous as abortion (which is damaging to the mother as is) should not be done so lightly, neither should denying a future child the chance to live.
Women who have abortions have made that choice, they know what they may be doing to themselvs.If you don'tlike abortions, don't get one, but leave those whom childbirth is unwanted to their own

that was very nice and eloquent, but there's some holes in your logic.

firstly, you're assuming that we should care at all what happens if we left Mother Nature to her own devices. After all, if we did that, we might all still have polio because it would stop the virus. Utter nonsense!
Secondly, you're trying to equate murdering your own mother with abortion. I know the only way you came to this conclusion was with your invalid premise, but I'll roll with it anyway. Say it is murder. In the case of your mom, you already know what of person you're killing, but with abortion, the mom might die during birth, the child might die during burth, the child might die immediatley *after* the birth, the child could grow up to be the next Hitler and kill six million people. You can't predict the future actions of the fetus not nearly as well as you could your own mother.
lastly, didn't you read what Eternal Sunshine wrote about what a couple has do go through to for adoption? People don't always have money for it.

Yiggy, we should *SO* have sex XD

I am assuming that you are the sort of person that argues that pulling vegetables is also murder..In that case, why not change peoplefor murder who hunt animals..after all, they may not have the same emotional functions, but your KILLING something.Please, Life means more then a pulse

1) no, Vegetables have no conscious thought, nor THE POTENTIAL (key point) to have conscious thought in their lifetime.
2) Im one to think that We are above animals, but at the same time, sure, that could be a valid case.

Thats the sort of argument thats going to leave the world overpopulated someday.

What you are saying is that woman shouldn't have sex. We all want to have sex, its a natural human urge. Think of all of the people who get into sexual relationships with men and then he leaves her. What about all of the poor married couples out there. What about all of the people who use BIRTH CONTROL, CONDOMS, Or think they are infertial (This last one happened to my aunt, it is realistic)
People who have responsible sex don't deserve to have to face the pain of Childbirth, its just silly

Then practice Abstinence, there truly isnt anything wrong with it. A potential human life should not be denied simply so we can sate an urge for pleasure.

Wouldn't that second one Still be killing "a possible human life", sonow there are acceptions based on what reasons YOU find acceptable
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1) Yes, but that comes in the degree of a life for a life, and mostly in those cases, the child will die regardless of if you do anything or not. Let me change my position: It should be the womans choice, in such matter, to save herself or the child in that instance. Killing for no other reason than to simply shirk off the responsibilty of having a child to take care of is entirely different than decided to kill the child to save ones own life.

If you don'tlike abortions, don't get one, but leave those whom childbirth is unwanted to their own

Yeah sure, then dont try to save anyones lives if you know they are dying? (in this instance, you are speaking to those who beleive the fetus will be a child, so to them it IS a life)

and to Yggstrandil: Aye, i was iffy about posting that example

According to Rakko I commit mass genocide every week looking at hot babes online.

but seriously... sperm can turn into human life, so jerking = genocide.

Fetuses and such are just like sperm that is beginning to grow. They don't think and will not be able to feel "death". They won't knkow they were to exist or ever going to.


And as for abstinence.. simply put, fsck that. It is natural to have sex and get pleasure from it and if forms of protection shall fail then it is only obvious to abort the unwanted and undeveloped membrane of cells.

Sperm, in itself alone, has no potential to become anything more than a single celled organism, incapable of sentient thought.

A sperm and an Egg together, are the beginning of potential sentient life.